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Nov 03 13:13:12 <elias> <trentg> Shall we start?
Nov 03 13:13:12 <elias> <leverton> I'm here
Nov 03 13:13:12 <elias> <trentg> I don't have much
Nov 03 13:13:12 <elias> <elias> oh, i'm late
Nov 03 13:13:12 <elias> <trentg> We should merge newgfx to 4.9 now
Nov 03 13:13:12 <elias> <elias> i concur
Nov 03 13:13:18 <elias> tjaden: that's all you missed so far :)
Nov 03 13:13:32 <tjaden> hi, thanks
Nov 03 13:15:28 <trentg> No idea how to do it myself
Nov 03 13:16:08 <tjaden> elias, i tried the newgfx branch on my machine
Nov 03 13:16:13 <tjaden> it doesn't abort on the glx stuff anymore
Nov 03 13:16:20 <tjaden> but the graphics don't show properly
Nov 03 13:16:39 <elias> not at all?
Nov 03 13:17:17 <tjaden> not really
Nov 03 13:17:30 <tjaden> let me just run them again
Nov 03 13:17:40 <elias> could still be something to do with GLX
Nov 03 13:17:51 <tjaden> exnew_bitmap is just plain white
Nov 03 13:18:02 <elias> i only have glx 1.4 here.. and only tried to make it 1.2 compatible according to the docs
Nov 03 13:18:26 <tjaden> ok. i haven't tried to fix it yet
Nov 03 13:18:37 <trentg> It mostly worked for me, except resizing
Nov 03 13:19:36 <elias> here both exnew_bitmap and exnew_resize work
Nov 03 13:19:49 <elias> but yes, the driver needs a lot of work
Nov 03 13:20:07 <elias> so far, it is only OpenGL 1.0 without extension, and only supports ABGR8888 format
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Nov 03 13:20:29 <elias> hi peterhull
Nov 03 13:20:34 <peterhull> hi!
Nov 03 13:20:38 <peterhull> Is it today?
Nov 03 13:20:52 <elias> yes
Nov 03 13:21:12 <peterhull> have I missed much, sorry I'mlate
Nov 03 13:21:16 <tjaden> exnewapi i get a black square on white bg instead of red on black
Nov 03 13:21:16 <tjaden> any ideas?
Nov 03 13:21:37 <elias> i get black on white as well
Nov 03 13:22:00 <elias> because i still haven't implemented blending for anything but draw_*_image
Nov 03 13:22:10 <elias> (or so I thought, haven't checked in detail yet)
Nov 03 13:22:17 <tjaden> oh, ok
Nov 03 13:22:25 <tjaden> hi
Nov 03 13:23:37 <elias> eventually, all of AllegroGL should somehow go into this.. but I have no idea about the best way to do that
Nov 03 13:24:02 <peterhull> Is exnewapi the best example to get up and running?
Nov 03 13:24:24 <trentg> It covers more than the others
Nov 03 13:24:35 <peterhull> I've compiled allegro 4.9-newgfx for OSX, but I need to test it
Nov 03 13:24:44 <elias> all the exnew*.c are good tests
Nov 03 13:24:52 <peterhull> exnew_events seems to be a different API
Nov 03 13:24:52 <elias> and we really need to make more like those
Nov 03 13:25:09 <trentg> exnew_events doesn't work
Nov 03 13:25:16 <peterhull> hmm I'm out of date
Nov 03 13:26:01 <tjaden> it might be better to merge 4.9 into 4.9-newgfx instead of the other way
Nov 03 13:26:02 <elias> OSX also needs a graphics driver
Nov 03 13:26:34 <peterhull> elias: I'm working on it, ever so slowly.
Nov 03 13:26:59 <peterhull> I would like to see Allegro continue on OS X but I haven't a lot of time
Nov 03 13:27:02 <leverton> Thomas Harte made a comment recently about an OS X driver
Nov 03 13:27:10 <leverton> might want to see if he'll work with you
Nov 03 13:27:13 <elias> ah, good. eventually, part of the OpenGL drivers likely can be shared on linux/windows/osx
Nov 03 13:27:45 <elias> but the main thing in the GLX driver is all the X11 and GLX stuff
Nov 03 13:27:58 <peterhull> I did have a version that would get an OpenGL context up and running, and deliver events, but that might have "bit-rotted" now
Nov 03 13:28:22 <peterhull> If I can do that, then the actual drawing code can be shared with Linux as you say, elias
Nov 03 13:28:50 <peterhull> matthew, have you got a reference for the TH comment?
Nov 03 13:29:15 <leverton> in his leopard thread
Nov 03 13:29:16 <leverton> just today
Nov 03 13:29:35 <peterhull> Should exnew_events be ignored or is it worth updating?
Nov 03 13:29:37 <leverton> http://www.allegro.cc/forums/thread/593856/707995#target
Nov 03 13:29:53 <elias> exnew_events should be updated eventually
Nov 03 13:30:06 <elias> just wasn't our focus in the gfx branch
Nov 03 13:31:24 <elias> so "CoreGraphics" can provide an OpenGL context?
Nov 03 13:31:50 <peterhull> Not really. CoreGraphics isn't really the right thing to be using.
Nov 03 13:32:06 <peterhull> The terminology is a bit confusing (at least to me)
Nov 03 13:32:32 <peterhull> CG is also called Quartz, it's more like windows GDI
Nov 03 13:33:06 <peterhull> I'd use Quartz more for high quality (e.g. antialiased lines, beziers, that kind of thing)
Nov 03 13:33:35 <peterhull> OpenGL is for performance
Nov 03 13:33:58 <peterhull> But then there's Quartz Extreme which is Quarz on the OpenGL pipeline
Nov 03 13:34:22 <tjaden> how good is EGL support on various platforms, does anyone know?
Nov 03 13:35:02 <peterhull> As in OpenGL ES?
Nov 03 13:35:11 <tjaden> yes
Nov 03 13:35:24 <tjaden> er, well, i think yes :)
Nov 03 13:36:34 <peterhull> AFAIK it's mostly a subset of the 'proper' OpenGL
Nov 03 13:37:13 <peterhull> but I'm not sure how much is extra, fixed point maths is one thing in ES that's not in OpenGL
Nov 03 13:37:33 <tjaden> apparently it's a platform independent GLX/WGL/AGL
Nov 03 13:38:03 <peterhull> Oh, so not what I'm on about at all, then!
Nov 03 13:38:08 <elias> got a link?
Nov 03 13:38:28 <tjaden> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/EGL
Nov 03 13:38:42 <tjaden> i guess it's very new, so unusable
Nov 03 13:39:00 <elias> oh, looks nice though
Nov 03 13:39:29 <elias> especially that you can draw to off-screen bitmaps
Nov 03 13:39:43 <elias> opengl 1.0 doesn't allow that at all, which makes my current glx driver a bit stupid
Nov 03 13:41:12 <elias> oh, or is that just another extension to EGL on that site
Nov 03 13:41:41 <tjaden> looks like it
Nov 03 13:42:57 <tjaden> so, 4.9 into newgfx or the other way around?
Nov 03 13:43:22 <elias> hm
Nov 03 13:43:37 * elias does an svn merge both ways and looks which produces more output..
Nov 03 13:46:25 <elias> hm, svn is slow for this
Nov 03 13:46:42 <tjaden> peterhull, while you're here. the last time i tried to merge 4.2 changes into 4.9, the thing getting in the way was the osx port
Nov 03 13:47:04 <tjaden> i don't really know which changes to keep and whatnot
Nov 03 13:47:23 <tjaden> and i can't test if the thing still compiles after the merge
Nov 03 13:48:29 <tjaden> mind if i just let it break?
Nov 03 13:48:50 <elias> hm.. "Skipped missing target" what does that mean again
Nov 03 13:49:00 <tjaden> renamed file
Nov 03 13:49:10 <tjaden> or deleted
Nov 03 13:50:21 <elias> i wonder if i swapped parameters to merge
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Nov 03 13:53:50 <elias> ok, so i guess merging from 4.9 to 4.9-newgfx is better
Nov 03 13:54:37 <elias> should i try doing it? or does your svk copy make it easier somehow?
Nov 03 13:54:54 <tjaden> lemme check
Nov 03 13:56:24 <tjaden> yup, easy here. only 3 conflicts
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Nov 03 13:57:21 <peterhull> tjaden: yes, just break it and I'll submit a patch
Nov 03 13:57:33 <tjaden> ok
Nov 03 13:57:47 <peterhull> trentg: I have a question for you on tls.c
Nov 03 13:57:52 <trentg> ok
Nov 03 13:58:28 <peterhull> There's no native support on OS X (using __thread) so I will use the pthread implementation
Nov 03 13:58:47 <trentg> ok
Nov 03 13:59:01 <juvinious> 3's a charm
Nov 03 13:59:16 <peterhull> so in tls.c you have (I think) the same thing twice, one for mingw and one for linux and msvc
Nov 03 13:59:34 <tjaden> should i just do the merge now?
Nov 03 13:59:41 <trentg> Well, one for old versions of MinGW and one for everything else
Nov 03 14:00:17 <peterhull> ok, right
Nov 03 14:00:41 <elias> tjaden: i'd say yes
Nov 03 14:01:01 <tjaden> ok. i'll just give it a quick compile
Nov 03 14:01:27 <elias> i managed to ruin both my checkouts due to wrong merge parameters :P
Nov 03 14:01:56 <peterhull> trentg: sorry, I was working up to the question but I have to go now (baby stuff!) so can I contact you later
Nov 03 14:01:58 <peterhull> :(
Nov 03 14:02:20 <trentg> yes, you can pm me on allegro.cc or email me or write to the list
Nov 03 14:02:58 <peterhull> And in general is is OK for me to work on just getting the OpenGL context set up, then I can borrow the actual drawing code from Linux?
Nov 03 14:03:26 <peterhull> bye for now
Nov 03 14:03:29 <juvinious> later
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Nov 03 14:06:11 <trentg> So, should we change AL_ prefixed things to ALLEGRO_?
Nov 03 14:06:36 <trentg> From the input and events systems
Nov 03 14:07:07 <tjaden> might as well
Nov 03 14:09:17 <tjaden> some of those names are going to be unwieldly with a long prefix
Nov 03 14:09:24 <tjaden> if they are not already :)
Nov 03 14:10:16 <trentg> Yeah.. but remember last time when we tried to agree on a prefix? :)
Nov 03 14:10:39 <elias> we sort of set to use ALLEGRO_ "for now" I think
Nov 03 14:10:41 <elias> *said
Nov 03 14:10:56 <trentg> Yeah, we could always change it
Nov 03 14:11:20 <elias> for the font addon, you use a different prefix, right?
Nov 03 14:11:31 <trentg> Yes, A5FONT_
Nov 03 14:11:34 <tjaden> btw, why's the font addon separate?
Nov 03 14:11:59 <trentg> Not sure, we just decided to separate it.. maybe we shouldn't though.
Nov 03 14:12:06 <tjaden> is it just the a4 font api?
Nov 03 14:12:14 <trentg> Yes
Nov 03 14:12:20 <trentg> More or less
Nov 03 14:12:34 <tjaden> i don't mind, just curious
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Nov 03 14:13:30 <tjaden> maybe it's the first step towards the modular structure that some people wanted
Nov 03 14:14:26 <elias> it should at least make it easy to just drop in/remove additional addons
Nov 03 14:14:38 <elias> even if we won't distribute them separately
Nov 03 14:15:14 <tjaden> memblit.c takes forever to compile on my machine
Nov 03 14:15:21 <elias> same here :(
Nov 03 14:15:34 <tjaden> do we know why?
Nov 03 14:15:44 <trentg> I tried to make it faster, but only got about 1s difference
Nov 03 14:15:44 <elias> yes, it compiles like 10000 functions
Nov 03 14:16:02 <elias> i think we might want a version which is slightly slower on runtime, but uses less functions
Nov 03 14:16:05 <tjaden> maybe we can drop the optimisation settings
Nov 03 14:16:14 <tjaden> at least for development
Nov 03 14:17:01 <trentg> There's already a slow version in there, just have to comment out the big messy part and change a couple lines
Nov 03 14:17:16 <elias> maybe depending on #ifdef DEBUG
Nov 03 14:17:24 <elias> so the debug version would compile fast
Nov 03 14:20:45 <trentg> Yeah, will do that
Nov 03 14:24:12 <tjaden> commiting the merge now
Nov 03 14:24:40 <tjaden> i might not have resolved the conflicts in scons files correctly
Nov 03 14:27:21 <elias> the scons files in newgfx should have been the up-to-date ones (also kazzmir worked on those lately)
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Nov 03 14:27:48 <tjaden> newgfx didn't have my changes to rename all the HAVE_ constants
Nov 03 14:27:57 <elias> ah
Nov 03 14:28:00 <tjaden> it's finally committed
Nov 03 14:28:05 * elias kicks CIA-27
Nov 03 14:28:06 <CIA-27> ow
Nov 03 14:28:11 <elias> hm, useless both
Nov 03 14:28:11 <juvinious> shouldn't cia be reporting that :P
Nov 03 14:28:15 <elias> *bot
Nov 03 14:28:17 <elias> yes, it shoudl
Nov 03 14:28:37 <juvinious> it seems like it's been flaky lately
Nov 03 14:28:44 <elias> yeah
Nov 03 14:28:53 <elias> in wesnoth, it also reports only about every other commit
Nov 03 14:29:05 <elias> here it doesn't report at all though
Nov 03 14:29:32 <tjaden> you work on wesnoth?
Nov 03 14:29:50 <elias> only some very minor things, mainly connected to python scripting
Nov 03 14:30:04 <tjaden> i downloaded it but never got around to playing
Nov 03 14:30:09 <juvinious> is tat a game?
Nov 03 14:30:36 <juvinious> oh interesting looks like a tactics type game
Nov 03 14:31:09 <tjaden> i saw chris robinson's name mentioned a few times in wine weekly news
Nov 03 14:31:39 <elias> wesnoth is just interesting somehow.. Rusty Russel (linux kernel programmer) and Eric S. Raymond (some open source guy) are both major contributors
Nov 03 14:31:55 <juvinious> neat
Nov 03 14:32:06 <elias> yes, chris seems to be a wine dev now.. instead of doing our sound API :P
Nov 03 14:32:21 <juvinious> chris? kitty?
Nov 03 14:32:26 <elias> yes..
Nov 03 14:32:40 <tjaden> and ages ago i saw eric botcazou's name on some GNAT papers
Nov 03 14:32:52 <elias> GNAT?
Nov 03 14:33:00 <tjaden> gnu ada compiler
Nov 03 14:33:03 <elias> ahh
Nov 03 14:33:23 <elias> i saw him on something gcc related a few times, when looking for googling for gcc bugs
Nov 03 14:34:07 <tjaden> stalking allegro devs :)
Nov 03 14:34:17 <elias> heh
Nov 03 14:34:29 <juvinious> scary :P
Nov 03 14:34:48 <elias> angelo mottola also was here a few weeks ago, he said he would work on the 4.9 OSX port if he would have any free time :)
Nov 03 14:35:12 <elias> btw, what is the merged 4.9 called now?
Nov 03 14:35:21 <tjaden> it's still newgfx
Nov 03 14:35:36 <elias> ah, so i guess, should remove the current 4.9 then move newgfx to 4.9
Nov 03 14:35:53 <elias> i think i'll try to get it as svk instead of svn
Nov 03 14:38:09 <tjaden> what needs to be done for 4.2.3?
Nov 03 14:39:08 <elias> "Retrieving log information from 1 to 9545".. wonder how long it will take
Nov 03 14:39:36 <tjaden> it's probably a good idea to download the tarball of the repository...
Nov 03 14:42:00 <elias> i didn't really follow the 4.2.3 issue
Nov 03 14:42:07 <elias> Evert and mimix know about it I guess
Nov 03 14:42:37 <elias> it was windows only in any case
Nov 03 14:46:31 <tjaden> i know about the calling conventions but i think people wanted to sneak in more changes again
Nov 03 14:47:15 <tjaden> ugh, i wrote the wrong revision numbers in my commit log and now i can't edit it
Nov 03 14:47:36 <tjaden> svn: DAV request failed; it's possible that the repository's pre-revprop-change hook either failed or is non-existent
Nov 03 14:47:52 <elias> i think SVN doesn't allow changing them
Nov 03 14:47:55 <elias> er, SF
Nov 03 14:48:40 <tjaden> bugger
Nov 03 15:02:38 <trentg> Do we need to change internal stuff like AL_FUNC, AL_VAR etc?
Nov 03 15:03:03 <tjaden> i hope not
Nov 03 15:03:12 <tjaden> they are ugly enough as it is
Nov 03 15:04:27 <trentg> hehe
Nov 03 15:07:05 <tjaden> i think they are overkill as well
Nov 03 15:07:27 <tjaden> don't change them for now
Nov 03 15:07:44 <tjaden> it will make merging between branches impossible
Nov 03 15:08:12 <trentg> Do you want me to wait to change the others as well?
Nov 03 15:08:52 <tjaden> as long as it's restricted to a5 stuff, it's ok
Nov 03 15:13:11 <tjaden> in debug mode: /home/tjaden/ahack/4.9-newgfx2/src/xglx/xbitmap.c:33: undefined reference to `_al_draw_bitmap_region_memory_fast
Nov 03 15:13:43 <trentg> Ah, didn't see that..
Nov 03 15:14:18 <trentg> You can replace it with _al_draw_bitmap_region_memory
Nov 03 15:17:20 <tjaden> done
Nov 03 15:17:32 <elias> i get an error about a missing icon.xpm
Nov 03 15:17:40 <elias> i'll just add it from 4.3
Nov 03 15:17:47 <tjaden> uh
Nov 03 15:17:53 <tjaden> didn't you delete it?
Nov 03 15:17:57 <elias> i did?
Nov 03 15:18:16 <tjaden> oh, renamed
Nov 03 15:18:25 <elias> yes, from alex to icon
Nov 03 15:18:35 <elias> no idea why it's not in the 4.9 src/x folder..
Nov 03 15:18:45 <tjaden> it is for me
Nov 03 15:18:50 <elias> oh
Nov 03 15:18:57 <tjaden> no, it's not in version control
Nov 03 15:19:00 <tjaden> hmm
Nov 03 15:19:17 <elias> hm, does cmake copy it there from somewhere else?
Nov 03 15:19:33 <tjaden> not that i know
Nov 03 15:19:55 <elias> find | grep xpm
Nov 03 15:20:02 <tjaden> it got deleted in the merge but not added
Nov 03 15:20:04 <elias> ohh, already found one big advantage of svk
Nov 03 15:20:14 <elias> no more double seatch results inside .svn folders :)
Nov 03 15:20:18 <tjaden> please add it back
Nov 03 15:20:21 <elias> ok
Nov 03 15:20:38 <tjaden> svn's handling of renames probably
Nov 03 15:21:44 <elias> ah, so "svk ci" also resyncs everywthing with the mirrow
Nov 03 15:22:18 <tjaden> yes, if you're committing to a mirrored path
Nov 03 15:23:21 <elias> http://cia.vc/account/bots/3135/
Nov 03 15:23:28 <elias> can someone set the bot to inactive?
Nov 03 15:23:35 <elias> if i try, i only get Error 500
Nov 03 15:23:54 <elias> (my hope is if we can get it to leave and rejoin, it will print log messages again)
Nov 03 15:25:32 <elias> ah, wait, i guess it only works with an account
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Nov 03 15:29:54 <tjaden> hi
Nov 03 15:30:10 <dacap> hello everybody, there was a hack day today?
Nov 03 15:30:19 <dacap> hi peter
Nov 03 15:30:24 <elias> could say it is still on-going :)
Nov 03 15:30:36 <dacap> :)
Nov 03 15:30:48 <dacap> what are you talking about?
Nov 03 15:31:02 <tjaden> that reminds me, do your key_shift changes need to be in 4.2.3?
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Nov 03 15:33:08 <dacap> tjaden: yes
Nov 03 15:33:33 <dacap> tjaden: e.g.: ASE must be compiled with Allegro 4.2.2 SVN right now for Windows
Nov 03 15:34:49 <tjaden> the update_shifts call, and something else?
Nov 03 15:35:37 <dacap> the old GetAsyncKeyState patch
Nov 03 15:36:05 <dacap> I think that change is in SVN right now
Nov 03 15:36:45 <tjaden> yes, i see it
Nov 03 15:37:25 <dacap> So the "update_shifts" is the only one
Nov 03 15:37:39 <dacap> that need to be checkin
Nov 03 15:37:54 <tjaden> i'll do it now
Nov 03 15:38:31 <dacap> ok, thanks peter
Nov 03 15:40:04 <dacap> here comes my brother... ok, I'll see the log of the hack day tonight... good bye
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Nov 03 15:44:29 <elias> so, can i "svn rm 4.9" and "svn mv 4.9-newgfx 4.9" ?
Nov 03 15:45:02 <trentg> Can you wait a couple minutes?
Nov 03 15:45:18 <elias> sure
